[23:58:19] hey [23:58:22] what a crazy day [23:58:52] wedding in the morning, parents arriving home from alaska for the remodel reveal in the evening, and a landmark supreme court case.... [23:59:19] oh, and US Nationals is moving out of chico! [00:00:08] also, titanium package from YYF should have arrived, but delayed until tomorrow [00:15:11] yeah, the supreme court deal is pretty big [00:15:37] yay the dissolving the sovereignty of the states! [00:17:16] it's not a states right issue [00:17:31] it's a civil rights issue, protected by the constiution [00:17:44] how? [00:19:20] this isn't a debate I'm going to have with you Ricks.. everybody has the right to be happy, you don't get to decide who can be married or not.. churces are welcome to do or accept whatever they want, but the legal status is what matters here and if you give special consideration to married couples, all couples should get that status [00:19:57] civil unions are the same dif, and a lot/most states have them [00:20:16] no, they don't [00:20:27] well actually, they ALL have marriages now :) [00:20:43] and obamacare [00:20:54] but fine, give me one NON-RELIGIOUS reason couples shouldn't be married? [00:21:29] because the federal government doesnt have jurisdiction to meddle in these affairs [00:21:52] so the federal government shouldn't recognize any marriage at all for any legal reason? [00:22:09] I would not be upset by this [00:22:14] no special treatment, rights, or privilages at all? [00:22:43] no beneficiary guarantees, parental rights, medical decision rights, etc? [00:23:01] since when is parents and spouses the same? [00:23:08] s/is/are/ [00:23:18] because the only way to GUARANTEE your kids go to your significant other if you die, is to be married [00:23:38] absolutely any other situation can be contested [00:24:13] if there on the birth cert as the parent, how is there any argument, married or not? [00:24:52] but until today, they couldn't be listd on the birth cert. [00:25:12] non married couples it goes to mom only [00:25:33] well.. I mean.. biologically they can't either.. homosexuality doesn't really make that happen [00:26:03] Penn Gilette did a good article on this a while back.. he and his wife are married ONLY because it guarantees custody.. they went through a lot of very expensive lawyers to get to that conclusion [00:26:24] so adopted parents shouldn't be guaranteed a right to their kids? [00:26:30] I have a client whose BY sued for birth rights/whatever, did the blood test and is legally considered the father now [00:27:03] you have no non-religious grounds here [00:27:15] and since the government isn't a church, as much as some would like it to be.. they have to have equality [00:27:41] so appeasing the 4% of the country is equality? [00:27:51] 2/3rds actually [00:27:55] current support rate [00:28:08] and yes, equality iS EQUALITY FOR EVERYBODY [00:28:43] and the religious folks that are forced to do things against their religion that total much more than 4% don't count? [00:29:04] equality for everyone* (*not everyone) [00:29:05] again, 2/3rds.. nobody is forcing religions to do anything [00:29:16] literally are, remember the wedding cake? [00:29:37] or churches who don't want to service certain groups [00:29:44] public outrage toward a company with an unpopular opinion is totally unrelated to laws. [00:30:07] when they get sued its not exactly unrelated [00:30:08] they'd get blasted for saying "hitler was an awesome dude" too [00:30:36] I actually happen to agree that businesses have a right to refuse any customer [00:30:44] Preach it [00:30:45] doesn't mean the public will be happy about it [00:30:48] but that's their call [00:30:49] exactly [00:30:58] but this case isn't about that [00:31:06] totally different issue [00:31:14] if you think I look stupid or dont like my business practice or /whatever/ go to the next guy, no chip off my shoulder [00:31:20] right [00:31:22] it melds into that issue [00:31:25] no it doesn't [00:31:48] this case simply means that in legal terms gay couples are treated the same as straight couples [00:33:05] and that the government has the right to tell what states can and cant do [00:33:47] if its that big of a deal for someone, why not move to a place that already had it? [00:34:06] if Mich states getting worse, I'll pack up and get someplace better [00:34:08] a) they've always been able to do that, that' what the united states means... and b) it simply decided that the constitution protected people equally [00:34:19] because nobody should have to leave their home because of who they love [00:34:25] and **** you for suggesting they should. [00:34:42] I need to leave my home for whom I love (class 3 firearms :D ) [01:07:38] and yes, equality iS EQUALITY FOR EVERYBODY [01:07:42] but it was equal before [01:07:51] gay men could marry women [01:07:59] *shrug* [01:08:10] I have to assume that's a joke? [01:08:19] not especially [01:08:36] but "equality" is a false argument [01:08:59] everyone had the right to marry under certain legal discretion [01:09:26] no marrying against a person's will, no marrying minors, no marrying the same sex [01:09:27] so it's cool as long as they do what you want them to, despite them being happy or not? [01:09:34] we didn't make it any more equal [01:09:43] we just changed what everyone is allowed to do [01:09:47] that's possibly the most batshit crazy thing i've ever heard. [01:09:51] equality is the same as before [01:10:05] people get to marry who they love now, period [01:10:09] language [01:10:13] if that somehow bothers you.. that's YOUR issue [01:10:21] no, they get to marry who they love, under the confines of the law [01:10:30] you still can't marry a dog [01:10:42] they get the same legal protection any married couple gets, that's what changed. [01:10:56] that's one of the things changed [01:11:05] it's the only thing that changed [01:11:15] that's what you just said [01:11:22] you don't have to repeat it [01:11:22] that and a lot of bigotted jackasses are really unhappy [01:11:33] which makes me happy [01:11:56] congrats, you're just like them [01:12:02] "them" ? [01:12:14] yes [01:12:19] who is "them" [01:12:42] bigotted jackasses [01:13:38] I'm a big fan of everybody being able to marry whomever they are in love with.. if that makes certain people really angry, then yea, I'm a bit glad they're unhappy by a major decision [01:14:15] I'm still not exactly sure why anybody actually cares who marries who to begin with.. it has absolutely nothing to do with them [01:14:16] >I'm glad certain things are regulated the way I want them too [01:14:27] >but not too unregulated because that makes me uncomfortable [01:14:42] huh? [01:15:12] because, some people believe there actually is something to society [01:15:28] you've lost me [01:15:35] rip [01:15:41] how does two people being happy impact society? [01:15:58] because that's a narrow view of the issue [01:16:06] how so? [01:16:15] lot's of differing things can make people happy [01:16:34] true [01:16:40] the problem is that some of those things are bad for society [01:16:40] and? [01:16:57] so we have speed limits [01:17:02] oh, so you're saying gay people are bad for society? [01:18:09] that's the root of it [01:18:47] ah, I see now.. you're a horrible human being [01:18:50] lol [01:18:59] you got me with the name calling [01:19:07] no name calling involved [01:19:15] just a statement [01:19:17] here I thought you were up for intelligent discussion [01:19:25] bigotted jackasses [01:19:28] there is nothing intelligent about what you said [01:19:31] not so much the case [01:21:06] I'll make sure your position on other humans is well known, I wouldn't want people buying yoyos from somebody without knowing who they are [01:30:27] since you feel so strongly on the issue, I went ahead and gave you some promotion about it. ======== Facebook post by kyo on group YoYo BST & Talk. I'm not one to typically start threads like this.. but I'm a firm believer in supporting the people behind the companies we have in this community, not just the yoyos they make. As such, I strongly believe that everybody should know not just the name, but the character of those they are dealing with. You should be proud of the companies you support. I had a rather unfortunate conversation with the guy behind Diverse Animals YoYos, mrcnja. I know it's a bit off topic for this board, but the SCOTUS decision on same sex marriage was a huge topic today. And I quote. [00:15] how does two people being happy impact society? [00:15] because that's a narrow view of the issue [00:16] how so? [00:16] lot's of differing things can make people happy [00:16] true [00:16] and? [00:16] the problem is that some of those things are bad for society [00:16] so we have speed limits [00:17] oh, so you're saying gay people are bad for society? [00:18] that's the root of it This is -hugely- disturbing to me, and as such I'll never support him or his company. You are of course free to do whatever you'd like, I'm not here to argue one side of the issue or another, simply to inform you of his.. it's one that I personally find extremely offensive, and others may as well. I now return you to your regularly scheduled b/s/ting and such. ======== [22:52:24] hey fellas [22:53:25] yo~` [23:13:36] whats new NowOwl ? [23:13:37] really imkyo ? classy... [23:14:47] not a whole [23:14:50] lot [23:15:10] just ate some brownies and pineapples chunks [23:15:20] sounds pretty tasty! [23:15:22] * NowOwl wanted some sweets [23:17:02] * Ricks_izze is now known as Ricks937 [23:17:10] * Ricks937 has quit (Changing host) [23:17:10] * Ricks937 (~ricks@unaffiliated/ricks937) has joined [23:17:16] * ChanServ gives channel operator status to Ricks937 [23:18:50] * Ricks937 sets ban on *!*@45-17-242-85.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net [23:19:07] * Ricks937 has kicked imkyo from ##theyo ( you're more of a bigot than anyone else here, your actions are deplorable.) [23:19:23] * Ricks937 removes channel operator status from Ricks937 ======== Facebook post by PatCondon on group YoYo BST & Talk. I want to talk to him and get more information regarding his stance on this, as it's entirely possible that there is a lot here that wasn't fully fleshed out, and is thus misrepresented or dramatized (i.e.: gay marriage is "bad" for society because the union doesn't produce children (for example), but doesn't make them bad people or make the union meritless. I'm also under the impression that the societal "speed limit" comment is being taken literally, and thus is being interpreted in a way he did not intend, though I admit I'm not really sure what it's supposed to mean). I've read the full logs of the conversation, and I'm surprised by what he's said thus far, but I'm going to reserve my full opinion and what this means for my involvement with Diverse Animals until I know absolutely, positively what he intended to communicate. In the meantime, as a part of Diverse Animals, I want to personally apologize for what has been said so far, and express that regardless of my involvement, do not share his views or wish it to be a representative characteristic of the most wonky and fun yoyos I've ever laid hands on. I sincerely hope this isn't what it looks like so far and that we can continue with a better understanding of the matter.